MSNBC Tries To Supports Anthem Kneeling

Andrea Mitchell of NBC called the NFL hypocrites for their new rule making stand for the anthem when on the field.

“The hypocrisy is so profound,” Mitchell said. “Take a look at any NFL stadium, and people are getting hot dogs, people are getting beers. They’re not standing and saluting the anthem, for a large part. They’re not. They’re distracted. They’re fans at an event. And the fact that the players do not have this freedom of speech and that no one is even thinking about Colin Kaepernick … who’s been basically blackballed and can’t be hired — it’s just outrageous.”

  • Mike Cummings

    Well that puts them in the same boat as muslims . Muslims also don’t like the national anthem or our flag…claims they are offended by them.

    • American Patriot!

      That’s got to be the stupidest thing anyone has ever said.

      • damanondastreet

        By You!

        • American Patriot!

          LOL!

          • Mike Cummings

            Well I will have to admit you are quite good at it. You a muslim ?

          • American Patriot!

            No – just was wondering if you forgot your prayer rug.

      • Robert Kahlcke

        You prove you really can’t fix stupid.

        • American Patriot!

          Robert – indeed. How do you do it?

      • Ronald Hagler

        So, by your comment, are we to believe that Islam does not prophesize the killing of imbeciles. Do you deny that Muslims dance in the streets burning the American flag while chanting “Death to America, Death to Americans”! Do you believe that foreigners have the right to move to the U.S. and demand we change because our customs and mores offend them?

        • Larry Cook

          Or even better, demanding that our stores and restaurants no longer serve bacon, because it is forbidden to their diets?

          And many of those foreign nationals are being mislead by their leadership. Hatred of America, or Western civilizations, has been instilled into their very makeup. We are blamed for all their ills, real or imagined.

          • American Patriot!

            Where do you guys get this stuff? LOL! Seriously… only right wing nut cases believe a word of it. Most American Muslims are American born and while they practice a religion different than yours – which is obviously one where being a bigot is ok – not Christianity for sure – they have the same rights and are as patriotic as you are. Grow up and try using your brain instead of parroting this kind of mindless drivel from some ill-informed right wing website.

          • Larry Cook

            While I understand that there are other religions than Christianity, and welcome them to their rights to so practice, when they foment changes, such as dietary, for an entire population, placing their religion’s rules upon the masses, do I have problems with them. In other words, like those that are Hebrew, they are welcome to not partake of pork, but do not expect me to do the same.

            As to where I find such news articles, I would venture a guess that I read many more news feeds than you. For such demands are in the news often. Like the recent one, where a school district decided against removal of pork products from their lunch program. Students and others that are unable to eat such, for any reasons, are offered other choices.

            As to their all but open warfare with America, and our government, again, just read the news articles. Perhaps you would become enlightened if you did so.

            Many of the world’s mass public attacks, are religious in nature, and when the suspects are heard shouting Muslim utterings, makes me believe in the facts.

    • Robert Kahlcke

      Foxtrot the Democrat-Communist-Islamic Terrorist Organization.

    • American Patriot!

      You obviously have no clue about what they are saying when they kneel respectfully, expressing the very freedoms myself and other vets fought for – and namely that is the freedom to express yourself in a non-violent way. You don’t have to agree with it but just as you have the right to compare them to terrorists, (Muslims who have lived in our country are just as patriotic as you are – ask the multitudes of Muslim vets who served our country). I guess using your logic – you are a nazi sympathizer?

  • Al

    MSNBC sux,

  • Tim W

    If Andrea ever chose to look at the laws concerning your first amendment rights while working for an employer inside their property the rules of conduct outlayed by the employer supercede any first amendment rights. They are free to do this after they leave but must follow the rules while at the employers place of business backed up by the Supreme Court. Enough said.

    • American Patriot!

      No such law. You’re reading from another fake news account.

      • Tim W

        Yes there is…employer rules of conduct supercede first ammendment rights while at your employer…surpreme Court ruling backed it up

        • American Patriot!

          Back it up… let’s see it in regards to standing for the flag.

          • Tim W

            You don’t get it.workplace conduct rules set by your employer (aka NFL owners) override any first amendments rights. If they say you can’t kneel during the anthem, they have the right, by surpreme Court ruling, to set and enforce workplace conduct rules. Fact.

      • Tim W
  • Sarge

    Standing during the National Anthem is showing respect not only to the flag but also to the men and women who served. By kneeling it shows a hatred for all If they chose not to stand and they should be fined for not doing so.

    • American Patriot!

      As a VET, and one who lost family members in Viet Nam and Iraq, I can say that what they died for was the right for people to be able to express themselves in a respectful and meaningful way.

      They didn’t die for a piece of cloth or a song… they died so we can have the very freedoms these player exercise on the field. In a respectful way – Kneeling is not turning your back, or shoving a fist into the air. It is a sign of subservience and respect. You all don’t like it mostly, if you’re truly honest with yourselves, because the majority of the players doing this are black.

      Just admit it… it’s your first amendment right to say so.

      • Proctor Chet

        I’m not disagreeing with you, but you should really read the first amendment. It deals with government, not private business. A business, whether you agree with them or not, has a right to expect certain behavior from its employees, especially as it relates to earnings. The truth is, the protests cost them money so they want it to stop. These are employees, not fans or people on their own time.

        • American Patriot!

          Not really – it has nothing to do with your ability to do your job – and the only time the business owner can say you can’t say something is if it interferes with you doing your job. you need to go back and read about the rights we all share as employees and employers.

          • Proctor Chet

            You need to rethink what it means-and what the courts have determined-is involved in “doing your job” Part of doing a job, especially in the entertainment industry, is representing your brand. A tight end doesn’t just catch passes, he represents the team. It’s part of the collective bargaining agreement. This is the authority by which organizations are making decisions. I recently saw an employee get fired for being involved in an altercation away from work while wearing a work related shirt. And didn’t ABC just state that Roseanne was fired because she “didn’t represent the standards of ABC”? Her comments didn’t affect her ability to do her job. Your reasoning may sound good, but it doesn’t hold up. I am a business owner and what you say is just factually incorrect or at the very least incomplete.

      • Thomas Bryan

        they are at work, just like when you and I go to work, you don’t do this crap at work. Just do what they are paid to do inside those stadiums. Protest all they before or after, not during.

      • Donnell Simon

        I also served proudly for 22 yrs, and my dad did 26, the kneeling doesn’t offend us! What does offend is I have carry my retired military ID in front of my wallet as opposed to my drivers license so the 3 to 5% of LEO’s that think all black men have a record or up to nefarious activity don’t automatically assume an antogonistic posture . I have watched their whole demeanor and approach change because I was a soldier and deemed worthy of the benefit of the doubt. Not overly sensitive, not making stuff up, this bs happens all the time as black man in America. I am proud of service, country( for the most part) and my heritage. So no I ain’t leaving I was born here, I ain’t gonna shut up and dribble. I believe for every right and privilege of citizenship , their is a duty and responsibility. I have fulfilled my requirements yet still my rights have to be fought for. I’m 58 and pops is 82, we won’t kneel but we understand what they kneel against.

      • john

        That (cloth and song) just happens to be part of this United States History, And if you cannot respect this by showing it (no matter the color of your skin) Then you must be in thier just for the “huge” paycheck, And do not “care” about the (good old U.S.A.) and her citizens.

        • American Patriot!

          Only forcing someone to be patriotic is basically the antithesis to what it means to be an American. Forcing patriotism is un-American and the tool of a dictatorship. So I must ask – are you un-American?

          • J Bryan Jensen

            True patriots conduct themselves as such and would never dream of not standing with their right hand over their heart during the National Anthem. No one forces them. It is as natural as breathing for a REAL American. Oh gosh, more painful truth!

      • J Bryan Jensen

        By precedent we stand with our right hand over our heart during the National Anthem. To not follow suit is a rebellious act contrary to normal expected behavior from patriotic Americans. Ouch! There it is again. The painful truth.

  • American Patriot!

    This is important to the players who are mostly black. They live in a world where they can’t escape suspicion no matter where they go.

    You want hypocrisy – you can’t be pro first amendment and then tell people they can’t express it because it makes you feel uncomfortable – that’s just un-American.

    And one last thing – I’m going to bet a lot of you think Roseanne Barr should not have been fired for her racist comments on twitter. Talk about hypocrisy!!

    • Tim W

      No…she did a wrong that has consequences…the hyprocisy is all the left hacks that to the same thing to the president, his voters, Kimmel, the voice hacks, Al Sharpton, espn hosts…where is their apology and firings by the same company that fired roseanne…abc and Disney..talk about a double standard laced with hyprocisy…you have no case

    • Tim W

      I see when someone trups your arguement, you run and hide

  • notalib

    If those players can’t take a short time to honor the flag, country and all the service men and women who fought for all our freedoms let the damn game of football fail. The players don’t seem to understand that their little protest offends many Americans that help pay their huge salaries. Andrea Mitchell–another confused liberal that can’t put two and two together. Protest another way but stand for the flag.

    • American Patriot!

      Kneeling is the ultimate form of respect. Why do you kneel in church? It isn’t like they are turning their backs and raising their fists in the air. Our brave men and women who fought for this country did so to protect these very freedoms. As a VET I did too. Freedoms you want to remove just because most of the players are black.

      • BS. Kneel to your Masters, you damn slaves.

      • john

        It’s not the color of thier skin, It’s thier attitude.They look like they do not respect thier team’s owner (I would think he would be the one that signs thier “huge” paycheck’s) Or thier own country, So would you (player’s) Please stand and show your respect to your fellow countrymen While you are bieng seen by The millions of people (fans) that is watching you on thier television set’s.

        • American Patriot!

          Keep Kneeling – it’s working. The morons are talking and getting offended. :0)

          • Mike Cummings

            Got to magree most liberals and democrats do a lot of kneeling in their lie of work. Particularly when dealing with foreign governments. I remember your hero kneeling to a Sheik and kissing his ring…you remember that . Another first time ever for an american president.

          • American Patriot!

            Trump also kneeled and fawned over a Saudi King – does that make him a muslim? So my Brother, don’t forget your prayer rug. Just a friendly reminder.

          • Richard Sprowl

            Not only are you a POG, you’re a lying son of a bitch

          • Pat McCrotch

            Stupid reply, Bush sucked up to the Saudis like you clowns suck up to Trump.

        • Larry Cook

          @john, not this former fan. I have not watched a single football game, since this protest was given the green light by the league, rather than end it with only one taking part. On the job protests, no a given right under any part of the Constitution or Bill of Rights and Amendments. So explain to me, just why we should support with our dollars, such?

      • Richard Sprowl

        Most vets think you’re a POG moron

        • American Patriot!

          LOL! I’m sure and most who do do not understand our freedoms. Remember – Trump is the least respectful president towards our vets that has ever existed in the whitehouse. Funny how too you all forget.

          • Larry Cook

            Trump’s actions via his actions on the VA mess, show that he is at least trying to do something about the issue. His providing aircraft for troops to return home, even if paid later by the government, was done, when all others were sitting around, waiting for somebody else to do something. But of course such did not make much of the news, for that would require them printing something good about him. And they took an oath, to not do just that. Even on a dull news day, the media posts articles on the First Family, if for some reason Trump has not done anything.

            Take his meeting with the leader of N. Korea, trying to bring about a peaceful end to N. Korea’s nuclear research. And if it happens, you can be sure he will not get any credit. Yet any attempt by Obama regarding N. Korea was headline news. And just as worthless.

            As to POW’s-last time I took training, that was not part of the job, but was covered in the rules of expected treatment, and how to deal with issues. Unlike those in Vietnam, where the old school rules, applying to POW’s, was mostly ignored by those captors.

            And becoming a POW, or MIA, KIA, or even wounded, means I failed at my job. My Pop, a career Marine, viewed his Purple Heart, as his “I forgot to duck” medal, and often managed to leave it off the chest fruit salad. With all his other medals and awards, it was often overlooked.

            He also taught non-traditional warfare, the hide behind the trees, shoot them in the back, and run like hell, to repeat it at a later time and target. Warfare that America has had issues with defeating in the real world.

            One man can that way, tie up many resources, for the enemy has to protect all targets, and the attacker only has to find one flaw in the protection.

      • Larry Cook

        First of all, I have no issue with their skin colors. As a Veteran, I am offended by what appears to be disrespect towards our national anthem,and flag. But I am sure you feel that protesting while on the job, should be one of those protected freedoms you allude to. Except that in this case, the media drove the event to a fevered pitch.

        The very playing of the National Anthem, was to remind ALL attending the event, of those that could not, because they had died serving this very nation. The practice started in MLB, and spread to all venues of sports. But that, I guess is not important to you, only gives you an entry to point out hatred and bigotry.

        The worst examples of such, have often been in the very groups that are being held high.

        America has made major strides in equality. Those that claim oppression, have yet to offer any concrete examples.

        One, those shot by the police, often while posing a threat to public safety, officer safety, or just plain stupid. I read the stats on Chicago, where weapons are highly controlled, and yet they have one of the highest murder by gun rates of this nation. Get rid of the guns, and you would then have deaths by knives, clubs, or the like, until you finally ban all down to the jawbone of that ass, and still humans will prey on humans.

      • Larry Cook

        Actually American Patriot, kneeling is the ultimate form of submission. Even when you kneel in church services, you are being submissive, rather than respectful. Traditions and etiquette say you stand and face the flag, when our National Anthem is played. Those that do not, out of religious reasons, or other reasons, are expected to be silent, and show respect. As to the players being mostly black, great. Now tell me how staging an “on the job” protest is some legal right. For all the players are, is a form of high paid meat. To back up my statement, look at how fast the league cuts them, if they get to badly hurt, unable to play, or afoul of the laws, outside the arena. The league seems to want it both ways. But straddling that fence, only gets one splinters in a tender part of the body.

        And I too am a VET, as are most of my family’s males. We have collectively done our duties to this nation. And my comment has nothing to do with skin color, or ethnic makeup.

      • notalib

        Those that kneel during the game don’t mean it as respect. Let the numbers do the talking. They will lose as they are losing.

  • Rex Stevenson

    (1) When the National Anthem is played, everyone in the stadium stands and keeps their mouths shut. No one disrespects the anthem, our flag, country, or military … only Black NFL players who have no sense of patriotism. (2) Kaepernick played poorly for 11 games, was demoted to 3rd string, and then walked off and quit his contract.

  • Thomas Bryan

    They are employees at work, work rules apply, you don’t do this crap at work. from the time they enter that stadium they are on their employers time, not personal time. Do your job, if you want to make statements, do it on your time. The owners are not paying you to create losses of revenue, but, if you can’t figure that out, you might just get released and loose all those millions that you are already over paid with.

  • Robert Kahlcke

    MS13ABC, will be filing for Bankruptcy very soon, stockholders take note.

  • john

    I have heard they are protesting treatment of “black’s by the police, And I would think a lot of people watching (do not know this) They just think you are “disrespectful of our Flag and National Anthem.

  • Bud William

    Fans, the NFL came up with “half a loaf”, not good enough. Continue to Boycott the games. USA, USA, USA.

  • rick meek

    Good for them – I don’t support them or their morons…..
    Every time there’s and earthquake —— it’s the veterans turning over in their graves at the idea of those who have betrayed them…….
    …Somalians are send millions i-home thanks to taxpayers and the disgustocrats…….but they have to support their donors – companies that employ their kids and grandkids….Gotta keep that money flowing.
    mueller has a VERY LONG record of cover-ups – dirty deals – threats – intimidation – humiliation but the best one is the FBI raiders felt up a guy’s wife when they broke into their home…mueller isn’t operating under the “special counsel” laws – Congress let them LAPSE years ago…..Mueller and rosenstein created this team under CFR’s…. MSM is delivering “FAKE NEWS” Daily to support the attacks…….
    Govt are formed by the people and Govern by the CONSENT of the governed —– and when those govt’s fail to serve those people’s need’s……..READ IT FOR YOURSELVES IN THE DECLARATION AND CONSTITUTION…..

  • Dr. Mike Reeder

    MSNBC or anyone can TRY all they want. The ruling “stands” and so should all players and fans. Most fans do stand, remove their hats and cover their hearts. Those that don’t are probably Muslims, anyway. Colin Kaepernick, is a washed up old player that can’t cut the NFL anymore, and NOT just because of his refusal to stand for the National Anthem and our Flag. Mr. Trump was right, “…..fire the son-of-a bitches!”

  • Old Ga Dawg

    IS THIS SO SURPRISING TO ANYONE?
    MSNBC

    MENTAL SICKNESS NEWS BROADCASTING COMPANY

    • J Bryan Jensen

      Spot on!

  • john

    If i was to ask you to do the (right) thing and stand “for your country” or Just do what you want to do
    Which of these two choices would you pick? (not forcing you to do anything I am asking you to participate.

  • cal3301

    I think she had better learn the laws. We do not have 1st Amendment rights in the work place. We have rules that we all must follow. When the players are on the field they are considered on the job and do not have the right to protest!!!

    • Pat McCrotch

      Hey genius, without these players you despise so much, you wouldn’t have an NFL. And we saw how well replacement players went over, LMAO!

      • cal3301

        As far as the NFL is concerned, they can crash and burn for all I care. I’m pro military and country, first off. I was weaned on football and use to play it when I was younger. I watched for the joy of the game and to relax, not for some ungrateful punks politics. They would not be where they are if they had lived in any other country!! I haven’t watched since they started kneeling and I don’t miss them one bit!!!

  • Ronald Hagler

    I know not what game Mitchell was watching, but after decades of NFL watching I see little distractions while our Anthem is playing. Why does Mitchell (and those of like agenda) find it so abhorrent for fans to display two or three minutes of respect for all who have served to keep this nation free by standing quietly while this song is performed at a game? You find no such disrespect in other countries. Why do over-paid, unskilled, (outside of sports) self-serving, black elitist athletes find The National Anthem so repulsive? Mitchell fails to see that the most repulsive issue is the cost for working Americans to actually attend one of these games because of people making millions of dollars a year simply playing a game! Mitchell further ignores the ease at which rich, untalented entertainers gain entrance to these games while working class citizens struggle just to see one or two games a year.

    What are these players protesting: the fact that they are over-paid spoiled prima donnas with nothing to fall back on, should their career suddenly end? Most failed to complete college, even though they signed a contract to play ball in lieu of paying for their education. Are they proclaiming some imagined injustice has befallen them because they are black and the rich, elitist, white supremacist have “held them back” and denied them their rightful place in society? There in lies the hypocrisy!

    • Donnell Simon

      Definitely coming from a ain’t been nowhere or done nothing. I am glad everything is all peaches and cream where youcome from, but I deal with this bullshit more than I care or deserve to. Again kneeling don’t bother me, not what I’d do but I understand cause I have lived it. My military service of 22 yrs doesn’t matter, no criminal record, pay my bills, pay my taxes and stil got assholes like you who try to make a second class citizen because of my pigment KM(entire)A

      • Ronald Hagler

        Do you deny that athletes are over-paid? Do you conclude that these same athletes owe nothing to this nation or to our society? Are you not familiar with the fact that many collegiate athletes reneged on their tuition contracts, thus causing four year contracts to the university to be discontinued? Are you denying that most NCAA football athletes fail to graduate? Are you denying that the MFL players who deem it necessary to kneel and disrespect The National Anthem are black? Can you honestly say that the injustice these players protest is as wide-spread as they promote it to be? Since you found it necessary to attack me as being a “done nothing”, what part of my statement was incorrect?

        Did I “put-down” black people? No, I simply protested the black athletes, who earn more in one year than the average American earns in a lifetime, for their protests against a system, a culture and a government that allows them the luxury of living the elitist life they protest against. The true injustice is having semi-educated people earning millions of dollars a year and protesting the injustice they, and those like them, have to endure. The media reports varying degrees of police “brutality” and these athletes deem it necessary to exploit these reports. The truth (according to a Harvard University study) is that police shoot more white people than black people and I’m willing to believe that in 99% of these shootings, the person was deserving of his/her wound.

        As for your vision of me as a “ain’t been nowhere or done nothing” type person, I too served in the military, only I served when there was a cross-section of brilliant and stupid people serving in the same unit. I served while the “draft” was still being used and we had every known category of mental capability in that military. Following my service, I finished my education and joined a company so large as to operate in over 100 countries. I maintained communication, data and computer systems in nearly one half of the continental United States until my retirement. Nothing people do surprises me any more, but I do find it most disconcerting that over-paid athletes use their status, their fame and their sport to project an incorrect image for our youth to see. Football is a sport that is played in a sports arena, not on a political stage and it should not be used to promote ANY political view or statement.

  • Will

    How can this ignorant bullshit thread continue? Kaep started kneeling at the request of vets. It is not about the flag. The nfl should stand with the 80% of their players who are black and who are at risk of bring beaten or killed by police when out of uniform. All good
    Americans should kneel with the players.

    • Pat McCrotch

      Proving just how uninformed this pack of Trump idol worshippers really are.

  • J Bryan Jensen

    Tell us something we don’t know. MSNBC is controlled by…you guessed it! Can you spell communists?

  • Pat McCrotch

    She’s right! It’s called exercising your 1st Amendment right to free speech. I took an oath to defend the Constitution, not a flag. GET OVER IT YOU FASCIST PIGS!

  • Larry Cook

    MSNBC should be reporting on news events, not taking political stands. And with the NFL being the employer, banning on-the-job protesting should have been done from the start. Now, the protest, is something that any American can take part in, just not while at work. Imagine how this would play, if Colin Kaepernick were not black. Yeah, there is division in America today, the work of some agitators, rather than how most people feel. As a white male, I cannot put myself into another’s shoes, but as an American, I was raised to respect people, no matter their color, or any other trait, unless they were offering me a threat. But as a former military member, I was offended at the on the field protests, and especially when it trickled down to the high school teams. I know my coaches through the years, would never have put up with such from us team members. One, we would be sitting the game, then Monday, we would have been running bleachers until the sun set.

    There are many other avenues for such protests, and while not as media hyped, they too can be effective, and not endanger one’s chosen career.